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Post by PichuAuraGuardian19 on Jan 10, 2020 5:06:40 GMT -8
Assuming you buy the game and the DLC by that point, of course. Likely that the DLC will be a patch stored on the Switch's memory, I don't think you can write to the cartridges. All the save data is on the console, from what I understand. It's the same issue as a lot of games these days, but for a franchise that's traditionally timeless, this hits especially hard. You can't expect even the most timeless of franchises to be permanently immune to the same types of issues as other franchises. As time goes along, there's always going to be some pothole in the road. Not gonna lie—that’s not a very good argument. Just because everyone else is doing something, it doesn’t mean you can’t decide to be different and choose your own path. I mean, think about Metroid Prime 4. That game was supposed to come out last year, but because it didn’t meet Nintendo’s standards, they started development anew. That is honestly admirable, because it definitely shows they care about what the fans think. Now, I do believe there was a lot of love put into SWSH. And even the expansions show quite a bit of effort they didn’t have to make. All we’re saying is it would have been even better if they took the time to put all of that into the initial release. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 10, 2020 12:14:24 GMT -8
You can't expect even the most timeless of franchises to be permanently immune to the same types of issues as other franchises. As time goes along, there's always going to be some pothole in the road. Not gonna lie—that’s not a very good argument. Just because everyone else is doing something, it doesn’t mean you can’t decide to be different and choose your own path. I mean, think about Metroid Prime 4. That game was supposed to come out last year, but because it didn’t meet Nintendo’s standards, they started development anew. That is honestly admirable, because it definitely shows they care about what the fans think. Now, I do believe there was a lot of love put into SWSH. And even the expansions show quite a bit of effort they didn’t have to make. All we’re saying is it would have been even better if they took the time to put all of that into the initial release. Whoops, I worded that wrong. I meant to say it was inevitable that Pokémon would hit some sort of pothole and that it was naive to think it would never have any problems, major or minor. Every franchise goes through a pothole, no matter how "timeless" it is. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jan 10, 2020 16:31:46 GMT -8
Not gonna lie—that’s not a very good argument. Just because everyone else is doing something, it doesn’t mean you can’t decide to be different and choose your own path. I mean, think about Metroid Prime 4. That game was supposed to come out last year, but because it didn’t meet Nintendo’s standards, they started development anew. That is honestly admirable, because it definitely shows they care about what the fans think. Now, I do believe there was a lot of love put into SWSH. And even the expansions show quite a bit of effort they didn’t have to make. All we’re saying is it would have been even better if they took the time to put all of that into the initial release. Whoops, I worded that wrong. I meant to say it was inevitable that Pokémon would hit some sort of pothole and that it was naive to think it would never have any problems, major or minor. Every franchise goes through a pothole, no matter how "timeless" it is. I don't think that the strong history of a series exempts it from criticism over regression or shortcoming. The entire point of constructive criticism is to identify these issues so they can be solved and future works can benefit from those solutions, rather than having quality suffer in the long term from them going unaddressed. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 10, 2020 21:38:07 GMT -8
Whoops, I worded that wrong. I meant to say it was inevitable that Pokémon would hit some sort of pothole and that it was naive to think it would never have any problems, major or minor. Every franchise goes through a pothole, no matter how "timeless" it is. I don't think that the strong history of a series exempts it from criticism over regression or shortcoming. The entire point of constructive criticism is to identify these issues so they can be solved and future works can benefit from those solutions, rather than having quality suffer in the long term from them going unaddressed. I don't think that the strong history of a series prevents it from having problems either. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jan 11, 2020 8:13:38 GMT -8
I don't think that the strong history of a series exempts it from criticism over regression or shortcoming. The entire point of constructive criticism is to identify these issues so they can be solved and future works can benefit from those solutions, rather than having quality suffer in the long term from them going unaddressed. I don't think that the strong history of a series prevents it from having problems either. No one said it would grant it immunity from having those problems, only that they should be identified, addressed, and corrected. For example, the problems raised by the DLC could be corrected by releasing an updated complete edition of the game with all of this content included, which is fairly common throughout the industry. |
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Post by PichuAuraGuardian19 on Jan 11, 2020 8:58:04 GMT -8
I don't think that the strong history of a series prevents it from having problems either. No one said it would grant it immunity from having those problems, only that they should be identified, addressed, and corrected. For example, the problems raised by the DLC could be corrected by releasing an updated complete edition of the game with all of this content included, which is fairly common throughout the industry. That is true. They honestly could probably do that, which would solve the problem of not being able to access portions of the game in the future. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 11, 2020 13:18:52 GMT -8
I don't think that the strong history of a series prevents it from having problems either. No one said it would grant it immunity from having those problems, only that they should be identified, addressed, and corrected. For example, the problems raised by the DLC could be corrected by releasing an updated complete edition of the game with all of this content included, which is fairly common throughout the industry. DLCs are pretty common too, though. GTA, Resident Evil, Dead by Daylight...those are the ones I can think of right now. You could argue the DLC content for those games should've been included in the original games in the first place. Can't see why Pokémon shouldn't do the same thing. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jan 11, 2020 19:01:59 GMT -8
No one said it would grant it immunity from having those problems, only that they should be identified, addressed, and corrected. For example, the problems raised by the DLC could be corrected by releasing an updated complete edition of the game with all of this content included, which is fairly common throughout the industry. DLCs are pretty common too, though. GTA, Resident Evil, Dead by Daylight...those are the ones I can think of right now. You could argue the DLC content for those games should've been included in the original games in the first place. Can't see why Pokémon shouldn't do the same thing. I'm not familiar with DLC for Resident Evil, but as I understand it, the DLC for GTAV and Dead By Daylight is only for online play, not singleplayer. While I also believe preserving multiplayer games is important, that's a completely different conversation. What I'm talking about is a singleplayer experience that we can expect a player to want to have ten, fifteen or twenty years after release. My issue is that when these parts of the game are completely digital, they will be impossible to experience for players in the future after the means of distribution have been shut down. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 11, 2020 19:20:40 GMT -8
DLCs are pretty common too, though. GTA, Resident Evil, Dead by Daylight...those are the ones I can think of right now. You could argue the DLC content for those games should've been included in the original games in the first place. Can't see why Pokémon shouldn't do the same thing. I'm not familiar with DLC for Resident Evil, but as I understand it, the DLC for GTAV and Dead By Daylight is only for online play, not singleplayer. While I also believe preserving multiplayer games is important, that's a completely different conversation. What I'm talking about is a singleplayer experience that we can expect a player to want to have ten, fifteen or twenty years after release. My issue is that when these parts of the game are completely digital, they will be impossible to experience for players in the future after the means of distribution have been shut down. When I said Resident Evil, I was thinking about the "Not a Hero" and "End of Zoe" storylines for Resident Evil 7: Biohazard, as well as the "Banned Footage Vol. 1" pack for the same game. Those are for single-player experiences. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jan 11, 2020 20:42:53 GMT -8
I'm not familiar with DLC for Resident Evil, but as I understand it, the DLC for GTAV and Dead By Daylight is only for online play, not singleplayer. While I also believe preserving multiplayer games is important, that's a completely different conversation. What I'm talking about is a singleplayer experience that we can expect a player to want to have ten, fifteen or twenty years after release. My issue is that when these parts of the game are completely digital, they will be impossible to experience for players in the future after the means of distribution have been shut down. When I said Resident Evil, I was thinking about the "Not a Hero" and "End of Zoe" storylines for Resident Evil 7: Biohazard, as well as the "Banned Footage Vol. 1" pack for the same game. Those are for single-player experiences. Then that's Resident Evil's problem, and from what I understand, that franchise has been on a steady decline since RE4. No need for Pokemon to emulate mistakes like that. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 11, 2020 21:13:18 GMT -8
When I said Resident Evil, I was thinking about the "Not a Hero" and "End of Zoe" storylines for Resident Evil 7: Biohazard, as well as the "Banned Footage Vol. 1" pack for the same game. Those are for single-player experiences. Then that's Resident Evil's problem, and from what I understand, that franchise has been on a steady decline since RE4. No need for Pokemon to emulate mistakes like that. Resident Evil 7 actually got pretty good reviews. And having seen a Let's Play of it, I can concur that the game is pretty tense and scary, DLCs included. I don't think we should dismiss DLCs right away. P.S.: Forgot to mention Outlast. That Whistleblower DLC is SOMETHING. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jan 12, 2020 6:59:08 GMT -8
Then that's Resident Evil's problem, and from what I understand, that franchise has been on a steady decline since RE4. No need for Pokemon to emulate mistakes like that. Resident Evil 7 actually got pretty good reviews. And having seen a Let's Play of it, I can concur that the game is pretty tense and scary, DLCs included. I don't think we should dismiss DLCs right away. P.S.: Forgot to mention Outlast. That Whistleblower DLC is SOMETHING. I'm not speaking to the quality of gameplay of the DLC at all. I'm talking about the issues with preservation and future accessibility. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 12, 2020 13:54:23 GMT -8
Resident Evil 7 actually got pretty good reviews. And having seen a Let's Play of it, I can concur that the game is pretty tense and scary, DLCs included. I don't think we should dismiss DLCs right away. P.S.: Forgot to mention Outlast. That Whistleblower DLC is SOMETHING. I'm not speaking to the quality of gameplay of the DLC at all. I'm talking about the issues with preservation and future accessibility. Then why point out Resident Evil's reviews in the first place if not about quality? |
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Post by Manqoba on Jan 12, 2020 16:24:16 GMT -8
I'm not speaking to the quality of gameplay of the DLC at all. I'm talking about the issues with preservation and future accessibility. Then why point out Resident Evil's reviews in the first place if not about quality? I didn't talk about the reviews specifically, I said that the "franchise has been on a steady decline since RE4" and that one of the mistakes they were making was having major content that was entirely digital. It wasn't a statement about reviews or quality of gameplay, but a statement about quality overall. |
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Post by Thanos on Jan 12, 2020 18:35:39 GMT -8
Then why point out Resident Evil's reviews in the first place if not about quality? I didn't talk about the reviews specifically, I said that the "franchise has been on a steady decline since RE4" and that one of the mistakes they were making was having major content that was entirely digital. It wasn't a statement about reviews or quality of gameplay, but a statement about quality overall. I don't know about digitized content, but it still sounds like RE7 is doing quite well for itself. I haven't seen any major complaints about anything about it. |
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