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Post by PichuAuraGuardian19 on Jun 13, 2019 6:22:55 GMT -8
See, I’m a bit conflicted, because they did announce today that there are currently no plans to bring existing Pokémon who can’t be in Sword and Shield back into the game using patches. At the same time, they said those other Pokémon will have an “active role” in Pokémon Home, which is a bit confusing.
I’m kind of in the middle on all of this. I do think it’s a bit of a misstep blocking a good chunk of Mons to be able to be used, though I have a feeling a majority of these will be legendaries and a number of starters. Plus, they confirmed Megas and Z-Moves won’t be in the games, so that definitely changes the meta game for those in competitive. I will say I’ll miss Megas because I really enjoyed that mechanic, but to be fair, they did unbalance the game a bit and frustrated fans whose favorite Mons didn’t get a Mega. At least Dynamax works for all Mons.
At this point, there’s going to be at least some people who will be angry, because every Mon is someone’s favorite. I get there are some technology issues and time constraints, though they also could have delayed the games a bit longer. I mean, from what I’ve heard, they’ve been focusing more on Town than the Pokémon games. I personally would have suggested they delay Sword and Shield for next year and come out with Town this year if they’re almost ready.
I don’t know—they’ve honestly gotten themselves in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they should try to make some more confirmations on who actually will still be in it. And if they actually have a good amount of new Mons this time around, it might be a bit more worth it, but it depends on how good they are.
I’m personally going to wait and see what happens at this point.
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 10:20:46 GMT -8
See, I’m a bit conflicted, because they did announce today that there are currently no plans to bring existing Pokémon who can’t be in Sword and Shield back into the game using patches. At the same time, they said those other Pokémon will have an “active role” in Pokémon Home, which is a bit confusing. I’m kind of in the middle on all of this. I do think it’s a bit of a misstep blocking a good chunk of Mons to be able to be used, though I have a feeling a majority of these will be legendaries and a number of starters. Plus, they confirmed Megas and Z-Moves won’t be in the games, so that definitely changes the meta game for those in competitive. I will say I’ll miss Megas because I really enjoyed that mechanic, but to be fair, they did unbalance the game a bit and frustrated fans whose favorite Mons didn’t get a Mega. At least Dynamax works for all Mons. At this point, there’s going to be at least some people who will be angry, because every Mon is someone’s favorite. I get there are some technology issues and time constraints, though they also could have delayed the games a bit longer. I mean, from what I’ve heard, they’ve been focusing more on Town than the Pokémon games. I personally would have suggested they delay Sword and Shield for next year and come out with Town this year if they’re almost ready. I don’t know—they’ve honestly gotten themselves in a sticky situation. In my opinion, they should try to make some more confirmations on who actually will still be in it. And if they actually have a good amount of new Mons this time around, it might be a bit more worth it, but it depends on how good they are. I’m personally going to wait and see what happens at this point. I really hope that they change their minds about it, because it's honestly an awful business decision for them to be upsetting their fans needlessly like this. It's important to remember that without the income from Pokemon, Town wouldn't exist in the first place. |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 10:30:05 GMT -8
It's not really a big deal, though. They're essentially wiping what's estimated to be between one third and one half of Pokémon out of existence. I'd call that a big deal. So? It's not like there are no other games for these missing Pokemon to be played on. People can just play those games in the meantime while they wait for Game Freak to rectify this not-problem. Can't we just focus on the new stuff? You know, the main draw of Generation VIII? Seriously, the people calling for a boycott of this game are just so immature. Don't they understand that there are a whole lot of new variables the Switch, a main home console, brings to the table, plus the fact that there are 800+ Pokemon species that would need to be animated for an ideal scenario to be reached? I may not be an animator or graphics designer or whatever, but it sounds like a lot of hard work had to be put into these games already. Give them more time to work out the kinks and just enjoy what we have right now! Seriously, it pisses me off. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 12:26:50 GMT -8
They're essentially wiping what's estimated to be between one third and one half of Pokémon out of existence. I'd call that a big deal. So? It's not like there are no other games for these missing Pokémon to be played on. People can just play those games in the meantime while they wait for Game Freak to rectify this not-problem. Can't we just focus on the new stuff? You know, the main draw of Generation VIII? Seriously, the people calling for a boycott of this game are just so immature. Don't they understand that there are a whole lot of new variables the Switch, a main home console, brings to the table, plus the fact that there are 800+ Pokémon species that would need to be animated for an ideal scenario to be reached? I may not be an animator or graphics designer or whatever, but it sounds like a lot of hard work had to be put into these games already. Give them more time to work out the kinks and just enjoy what we have right now! Seriously, it pisses me off. That's honestly an awful way to look at it, especially if that's Game Freak's rational. People deciding to continue playing an old game when a developer didn't address concerns voiced with a new one is exactly how games like Metroid Prime Federation Force and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival failed (Though granted, the issue with Amiibo Festival was the concept itself, while Federation Force could've been fixed rather easily). People will decide whether or not they want to spend their money on a product. When that product is perceived to be of inferior quality, its demand will go down. When the price is set to be higher than the equilibrium price (the point where supply meets demand), the quantity sold will go down and potential earnings will not be fully realized. That's economics. I think that people understand the complexity of the features and refinements possible on the Switch. I think that people also understand that these Pokémon already have animations developed for Gens 6, 7, and LGPE, along with models from the 3DS games and console-based spinoffs, that could be refined and reused for this game. It's important to remember that this isn't Game Freak's first Pokémon game on Switch, and they aren't starting everything from scratch like they were with LGPE. 171 of these Pokémon already have assets for Switch, and others have models from Pokken Tournament. That leaves about 630 old Pokémon left, nearly 100 fewer than those modeled and animated for Gen 6. Absolute worst case scenario, assets still exist for everything from Gens 1-4 in Battle Revolution and could be re-tooled and used in the interim. I just don't think there's any good reason to get rid of somewhere between one third and one half of the Pokémon entirely from this point onward. I have no problem with the "Give them more time to work out the kinks and just enjoy what we have right now" mentality when the game in question is free-to-play, made by a small indie team, or in early-access. When we're talking about a full-priced, triple-A game from a major developer, people expect a polished, finished product, and I don't think that's unreasonable. |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 12:29:56 GMT -8
So? It's not like there are no other games for these missing Pokémon to be played on. People can just play those games in the meantime while they wait for Game Freak to rectify this not-problem. Can't we just focus on the new stuff? You know, the main draw of Generation VIII? Seriously, the people calling for a boycott of this game are just so immature. Don't they understand that there are a whole lot of new variables the Switch, a main home console, brings to the table, plus the fact that there are 800+ Pokémon species that would need to be animated for an ideal scenario to be reached? I may not be an animator or graphics designer or whatever, but it sounds like a lot of hard work had to be put into these games already. Give them more time to work out the kinks and just enjoy what we have right now! Seriously, it pisses me off. That's honestly an awful way to look at it, especially if that's Game Freak's rational. People deciding to continue playing an old game when a developer didn't address concerns voiced with a new one is exactly how games like Metroid Prime Federation Force and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival failed (Though granted, the issue with Amiibo Festival was the concept itself, while Federation Force could've been fixed rather easily). People will decide whether or not they want to spend their money on a product. When that product is perceived to be of inferior quality, its demand will go down. When the price is set to be higher than the equilibrium price (the point where supply meets demand), the quantity sold will go down and potential earnings will not be fully realized. That's economics. I think that people understand the complexity of the features and refinements possible on the Switch. I think that people also understand that these Pokémon already have animations developed for Gens 6, 7, and LGPE, along with models from the 3DS games and console-based spinoffs, could be refined and reused for this game. It's important to remember that this isn't Game Freak's first Pokémon game on Switch, and they aren't starting everything from scratch like they were with LGPE. 171 of these Pokémon are already have assets for Switch, and others have models from Pokkén Tournament. That leaves about 630 old Pokémon left, nearly 100 fewer than those modeled and animated for Gen 6. Absolute worst case scenario, assets still exist for everything from Gens 1-4 in Battle Revolution and could be re-tooled and used in the interim. I just don't think there's any good reason to get rid of somewhere between one third and one half of the Pokémon entirely from this point onward. I have no problem with the "Give them more time to work out the kinks and just enjoy what we have right now" mentality when the game in question is free-to-play, made by a small indie team, or in early-access. When we're talking about a full-priced, triple-A game from a major developer, people expect a polished, finished product, and I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't care. People need to grow up and smell the roses. It was going to happen sooner or later. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 12:31:05 GMT -8
That's honestly an awful way to look at it, especially if that's Game Freak's rational. People deciding to continue playing an old game when a developer didn't address concerns voiced with a new one is exactly how games like Metroid Prime Federation Force and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival failed (Though granted, the issue with Amiibo Festival was the concept itself, while Federation Force could've been fixed rather easily). People will decide whether or not they want to spend their money on a product. When that product is perceived to be of inferior quality, its demand will go down. When the price is set to be higher than the equilibrium price (the point where supply meets demand), the quantity sold will go down and potential earnings will not be fully realized. That's economics. I think that people understand the complexity of the features and refinements possible on the Switch. I think that people also understand that these Pokémon already have animations developed for Gens 6, 7, and LGPE, along with models from the 3DS games and console-based spinoffs, could be refined and reused for this game. It's important to remember that this isn't Game Freak's first Pokémon game on Switch, and they aren't starting everything from scratch like they were with LGPE. 171 of these Pokémon are already have assets for Switch, and others have models from Pokkén Tournament. That leaves about 630 old Pokémon left, nearly 100 fewer than those modeled and animated for Gen 6. Absolute worst case scenario, assets still exist for everything from Gens 1-4 in Battle Revolution and could be re-tooled and used in the interim. I just don't think there's any good reason to get rid of somewhere between one third and one half of the Pokémon entirely from this point onward. I have no problem with the "Give them more time to work out the kinks and just enjoy what we have right now" mentality when the game in question is free-to-play, made by a small indie team, or in early-access. When we're talking about a full-priced, triple-A game from a major developer, people expect a polished, finished product, and I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't care. People need to grow up and smell the roses. It was going to happen sooner or later. That's an awful business practice. |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 12:32:41 GMT -8
I don't care. People need to grow up and smell the roses. It was going to happen sooner or later. That's an awful business practice. With 800+ Pokemon species to animate, it's understandable. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 12:35:20 GMT -8
That's an awful business practice. With 800+ Pokémon species to animate, it's understandable. Considering this is one of the highest-grossing game franchises in the world and the money is definitely there to hire additional animators, I would argue it isn't. "Understandable" would be delaying Pokemon Home to allow their staff more time. Nixing the task entirely isn't. |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 12:36:48 GMT -8
With 800+ Pokémon species to animate, it's understandable. Considering this is one of the highest-grossing game franchises in the world and the money is definitely there to hire additional animators, I would argue it isn't. "Understandable" would be delaying Pokémon Home to allow their staff more time. Nixing the task entirely isn't. What the hell is Pokemon Home anyway? |
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 12:39:50 GMT -8
Considering this is one of the highest-grossing game franchises in the world and the money is definitely there to hire additional animators, I would argue it isn't. "Understandable" would be delaying Pokémon Home to allow their staff more time. Nixing the task entirely isn't. What the hell is Pokémon Home anyway? |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 12:42:18 GMT -8
I don't really follow or do online and game-to-game trading and all that stuff, so I'm not seeing how delaying Pokémon Home would solve anything. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 12:43:27 GMT -8
I don't really follow or do online and game-to-game trading and all that stuff, so I'm not seeing how delaying Pokémon Home would solve anything. Pokemon Home is the new Pokemon Bank aka the transfer system from the old games to Gen 8 |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 12:46:20 GMT -8
I don't really follow or do online and game-to-game trading and all that stuff, so I'm not seeing how delaying Pokémon Home would solve anything. Pokémon Home is the new Pokémon Bank aka the transfer system from the old games to Gen 8 I'm sorry, I really don't follow. My focus and comprehension is totally on the games themselves and not on any extra stuff like Pokémon Bank or Pokémon Home. You talk about Pokemon Bank or Pokemon Home or anything else related and it'll just fly over my head. Just tell me what you think delaying Pokémon Home would've done to help this situation. |
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Post by Manqoba on Jun 13, 2019 12:56:56 GMT -8
Pokémon Home is the new Pokémon Bank aka the transfer system from the old games to Gen 8 I'm sorry, I really don't follow. My focus and comprehension is totally on the games themselves and not on any extra stuff like Pokémon Bank or Pokémon Home. You talk about Pokémon Bank or Pokémon Home or anything else related and it'll just fly over my head. Just tell me what you think delaying Pokémon Home would've done to help this situation. Ok, so the deal is that the Pokemon outside of the Galar dex can't be transferred from Gen 7 to Gen 8. The reason they can't be transferred from Gen 7 to Gen 8 is likely because there is not enough time to create assets for them. When Gen 5 Pokemon were transferred to Gen 6, they used Pokemon Transporter and Pokemon Bank. Then when Gen 6 Pokemon were transferred to Gen 7, they also used Pokemon Bank. Now that Gen 7 Pokemon are being transferred to Gen 8, they are using the new Pokemon Home service. My thinking is that if there is not enough time to make assets for the old Pokemon before SWSH releases, Pokemon Home can be delayed until an update can be pushed to add the Pokemon missing from the game's code, and after that update is sent out, all Pokemon can be transferred. There's a several-month gap until the old Pokemon are obtainable, but at least they will be at all. In the meantime, SWSH can still be released on schedule because all of the data it needs for the Pokemon in the Galar dex already ships with the game. Alternatively, Home could be released at the same time as SWSH and its functionality expanded at a later date. |
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Post by Thanos on Jun 13, 2019 13:00:30 GMT -8
I'm sorry, I really don't follow. My focus and comprehension is totally on the games themselves and not on any extra stuff like Pokémon Bank or Pokémon Home. You talk about Pokémon Bank or Pokémon Home or anything else related and it'll just fly over my head. Just tell me what you think delaying Pokémon Home would've done to help this situation. Ok, so the deal is that the Pokémon outside of the Galar dex can't be transferred from Gen 7 to Gen 8. The reason they can't be transferred from Gen 7 to Gen 8 is likely because there is not enough time to create assets for them. When Gen 5 Pokémon were transferred to Gen 6, they used Pokémon Transporter and Pokémon Bank. Then when Gen 6 Pokémon were transferred to Gen 7, they also used Pokémon Bank. Now that Gen 7 Pokémon are being transferred to Gen 8, they are using the new Pokémon Home service. My thinking is that if there is not enough time to make assets for the old Pokémon before SWSH releases, Pokémon Home can be delayed until an update can be pushed to add the Pokémon missing from the game's code, and after that update is sent out, all Pokémon can be transferred. There's a several-month gap until the old Pokémon are obtainable, but at least they will be at all. In the meantime, SWSH can still be released on schedule because all of the data it needs for the Pokémon in the Galar dex already ships with the game. Alternatively, Home could be released at the same time as SWSH and its functionality expanded at a later date. Okay, now those two solutions I can live with. I don't have any investment in Pokemon Home so it works for me. As long as we get the Sword and Shield games on time, because I'm so hyped for them already and if they delay the games to satisfy half of the fanbase, I'm going to be so fucking pissed. |
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