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Post by Speedy_Fox_IV on Jul 22, 2019 3:06:25 GMT -8
Well, Pikachu IS the mascot of the games. I don't think Game Freak is going to be removing Pikachu from any Pokémon game anytime soon. Maybe in the anime Ash won't bring Pikachu to Galar because he's getting old and maybe he can't use certain moves anymore because Pikachu has become too weak. But I think Ash should NOT be the main character for the Sword & Shield anime. He should not go to Galar or instead become a tutor for young trainers. And maybe every pig on Earth spontaneously grow wings in the next 5 minutes. Retiring Pikachu because he's old would require the anime to acknowledge people aging and that ain't happening as long as they keep making money off of it.
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Post by PichuAuraGuardian19 on Jul 22, 2019 4:22:49 GMT -8
Maybe in the anime Ash won't bring Pikachu to Galar because he's getting old and maybe he can't use certain moves anymore because Pikachu has become too weak. But I think Ash should NOT be the main character for the Sword & Shield anime. He should not go to Galar or instead become a tutor for young trainers. And maybe every pig on Earth spontaneously grow wings in the next 5 minutes. Retiring Pikachu because he's old would require the anime to acknowledge people aging and that ain't happening as long as they keep making money off of it. I agree. Ash is one thing, but they’ll never retire Pikachu. He’s the face of the franchise, so he’ll always be around. And it’s very unlikely Ash is going away anytime soon. But I will say I am very pleased Pichu is on all of those calendars.
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Post by Thanos on Jul 22, 2019 13:06:46 GMT -8
In the twenty years we've had the anime, we've passed three opportunities to have Ash be replaced. 1) They were planning to replace Ash with Jimmy of "The Legend of Thunder!" when the Johto saga came rolling around, but that didn't happen. 2) They were clearly planning on retiring Ash at the end of DP, but that didn't happen. 3) The ending of XY was similar to DP's, but guess what? That didn't happen. We're stuck with Ash till the end. Guess fans would think replacing Ash will be considered sacrilege. It's not like Ash's departure would be unwelcome for a majority of the anime's fanbase, but I'm just saying, we've had this much opportunities for the anime to let go of Ash and they never took it, so what makes you or anyone else think the fourth time's gonna be the charm?
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Post by Mallow on Jul 22, 2019 19:40:39 GMT -8
Guess fans would think replacing Ash will be considered sacrilege. It's not like Ash's departure would be unwelcome for a majority of the anime's fanbase, but I'm just saying, we've had this much opportunities for the anime to let go of Ash and they never took it, so what makes you or anyone else think the fourth time's gonna be the charm? Well turns out a pretty good portion of the fan base want to see Ash replaced but someone told me replacing would cause the smiles rates to plummet. Not sure what that person meant by smiles rates.
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Post by Thanos on Jul 24, 2019 11:43:05 GMT -8
It's not like Ash's departure would be unwelcome for a majority of the anime's fanbase, but I'm just saying, we've had this much opportunities for the anime to let go of Ash and they never took it, so what makes you or anyone else think the fourth time's gonna be the charm? Well turns out a pretty good portion of the fan base want to see Ash replaced but someone told me replacing would cause the smiles rates to plummet. Not sure what that person meant by smiles rates. I don't know either. But what makes you think the people behind the anime are even listening to the needs of the fanbase? Remember, the anime's primary purpose is to promote the games, and if the games are meant to appeal to the newest generations, then that means the anime must do the same. The children of today don't care about how long Ash has been on the air as much as the children of yesterday did back then, and the same will apply to the children of tomorrow. It's a cycle that can only be broken if the Pokemon franchise as a whole ends.
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Post by Mallow on Jul 24, 2019 18:29:24 GMT -8
Well turns out a pretty good portion of the fan base want to see Ash replaced but someone told me replacing would cause the smiles rates to plummet. Not sure what that person meant by smiles rates. I don't know either. But what makes you think the people behind the anime are even listening to the needs of the fanbase? Remember, the anime's primary purpose is to promote the games, and if the games are meant to appeal to the newest generations, then that means the anime must do the same. The children of today don't care about how long Ash has been on the air as much as the children of yesterday did back then, and the same will apply to the children of tomorrow. It's a cycle that can only be broken if the Pokémon franchise as a whole ends. But I think I saw somewhere that the median viewing age in Japan is is the late 20s. Even though they try to gear to younger viewers, I feel it’s only alienating them.
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Post by Thanos on Jul 24, 2019 19:46:56 GMT -8
I don't know either. But what makes you think the people behind the anime are even listening to the needs of the fanbase? Remember, the anime's primary purpose is to promote the games, and if the games are meant to appeal to the newest generations, then that means the anime must do the same. The children of today don't care about how long Ash has been on the air as much as the children of yesterday did back then, and the same will apply to the children of tomorrow. It's a cycle that can only be broken if the Pokémon franchise as a whole ends. But I think I saw somewhere that the median viewing age in Japan is is the late 20s. Even though they try to gear to younger viewers, I feel it’s only alienating them. Do you think you can find the source for that? Depending on where that info is coming from, you may have been fed unreliable news.
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Post by Mallow on Jul 26, 2019 16:07:23 GMT -8
But I think I saw somewhere that the median viewing age in Japan is is the late 20s. Even though they try to gear to younger viewers, I feel it’s only alienating them. Do you think you can find the source for that? Depending on where that info is coming from, you may have been fed unreliable news. I just saw at the IGN forums, Switch owners are now older and also saw a post saying with the later 3DS Pokemon games, the players were skewing older.
This is just a theory on my part. Hell, look at sports television these days. The audience is much older than it was 10 years ago.
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Post by Thanos on Jul 26, 2019 17:07:46 GMT -8
Do you think you can find the source for that? Depending on where that info is coming from, you may have been fed unreliable news. I just saw at the IGN forums, Switch owners are now older and also saw a post saying with the later 3DS Pokémon games, the players were skewing older. This is just a theory on my part. Hell, look at sports television these days. The audience is much older than it was 10 years ago. That source doesn't cover Japanese owners specifically. It looks like it's covering overall statistics, so your argument is not really solid right now.
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Post by Thanos on Aug 12, 2019 13:23:44 GMT -8
Some interesting food for thought: I saw this post on a Serebii thread about the potential Sword and Shield anime. Takashi Shinohara, an animator for the anime since BW, made a thread on Twitter saying how much fun he had working on SM; however he also went on to say that some fans might not accept the SwSh anime, and that it was fine for them to accept the new series at their own pace. Here it is:
Now he’s obviously talking about the art style, as (if GT isn’t wrong) one of the tweets says “Also, if Sword/Shield is not accepted at all, I think that one option would be to not accept if it’s so ugly.” My apologies if I’ve got it wrong, but I think the general meaning of that is correct. Now that could mean a couple of things. 1, We’re reverting back to the BW/XY style. 2, we’re getting a completely new art style (maybe similar to M21 or even Pokémon Masters, as the former is pretty divisive- I personally really like it). I think those options makes the most sense, as we’ve gone three years without the old art style and it’d take some adjusting to get used to it again, or a new style altogether. Some people prefer the SM style, and might be upset it’s been replaced. Or 3, they’re continuing with the SM style. I don’t know why fans of the SM series would need to ‘adjust’ to the same style; that doesn’t make sense.
There might be hope yet for people who want the SM art style replaced, but nothing’s been confirmed yet. Just something interesting I found about the future of the series. Then, another user replied to that. Shinohara is definitely talking about the art style for the next series, since he is an animation director for the anime. He is foreseeing that the style for the next series could be controversial. Now, it could be that they are reverting to XY or changing it up completely, which could be an issue for those who like the SM style. However, one additional possibility is that they could be switching to full CGI for the next series. This would definitely be something that would end up controversial, and would certainly be something that not everyone will accept immediately.
Obviously, CGI is very different from regular 2D animation, and it's not a given either. However, it can't be ruled out. Back on May 21, 2018, Masaaki Iwane posted a tweet that layouts for the next Pokémon series had started (since my account is new, I don't think I can post links - however, the tweet is in the "How do you expect the writers to write the 8th gen" thread, post #271). This was likely around the time when M22 was being planned out. When that tweet was first posted, a lot of people were thinking that SM was ending, since May 2018 was very early for layouts if SM were not ending. One theory was that SM was getting ready for a "season 2" like XYZ, as that would explain the "next series" part of the tweet. However, that did not end up being true, since SM the series still has not ended yet.
Now, I have no idea why they were getting ready for the next series' art back in May 2018 if the next series wasn't starting until November 2019. Usually, Pokémon is five months ahead of broadcast (this information is from the same thread as above), but this is over a full year ahead of broadcast. Obviously, full CGI is still a long-shot, but given Shinohara's tweet that the art for the next series could be controversial, the possibility shouldn't be ruled out either. Long story short, there's a possibility the Sword and Shield anime may be fully CGI. Of course, this is just speculation and may not hold any real fruit, but I just find the timing of this tweet to be pretty interesting.
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Post by PichuAuraGuardian19 on Aug 12, 2019 14:08:06 GMT -8
Ehhhhhhhhhh... I’ll try to wait until they reveal what they’re doing. Not really a huge fan of CGI used in anime generally, let alone a full CGI series. It really depends on how much is used and how it looks. CGI can look good, but anime isn’t the best medium for it, just in my opinion. Mistakes are a lot more noticeable, and often it doesn’t age well. I’m not entirely against it, but I’m not exactly for it, either.
I’m just going to wait and see what happens.
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Post by Thanos on Aug 12, 2019 19:43:55 GMT -8
Ehhhhhhhhhh... I’ll try to wait until they reveal what they’re doing. Not really a huge fan of CGI used in anime generally, let alone a full CGI series. It really depends on how much is used and how it looks. CGI can look good, but anime isn’t the best medium for it, just in my opinion. Mistakes are a lot more noticeable, and often it doesn’t age well. I’m not entirely against it, but I’m not exactly for it, either. I’m just going to wait and see what happens. Well, if it's any comfort, other users on that thread have analyzed the tweet and wrote that Shinohara seems to be more focused on talking about people who like the SM art-style and therefore would be disappointed by any style changes, rather than trying to hint at what the Sword and Shield anime might look like. So, the only thing this tweet confirms is that the Sword and Shield anime will NOT look like SM. Of course, what that entails, it's still unclear, but we still can have that in mind until next month when we learn about the Sword and Shield anime.
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Post by Thanos on Aug 13, 2019 13:13:38 GMT -8
Aaaaannnnnddddd I just learned those Serebii users completely misinterpreted Shinohara's post. It has absolutely nothing to do with art-style at all.
So we don't have to worry about a fully-CGI Pokemon series. For now.
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Post by Thanos on Aug 24, 2019 12:50:06 GMT -8
It seems like we'll be getting a Sword and Shield anime announcement on September 1! I've got my fingers crossed!
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Post by Manqoba on Aug 24, 2019 18:27:55 GMT -8
I was really hoping for a mid-September announcement but oh well. This is going to be pretty stressful then, I'm going to be organising the naming process for Ash x whichever chick he's travelling with this time around, I'm working on updating the list because someone has to do it and it sure isn't gonna be Bulbagarden at this rate, and I'm writing a fanfic that's definitely never going to get done sorry not sorry Aquadrop. And then there's uni. Ugh.
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